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What do you think the best evidence or argument is that Egyptians had advanced technology?

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Egypt and particularly its pyramids are fascinating mind puzzles. It's interesting and curious for me to think that they had advanced technology that we are commonly unaware of today. With that in mind, I wish to ask you:

1. What do you think the best evidence or argument is that by our modern standards ancient Egyptians had advanced technology?

I think it's probably the pyramids.

2. What do you think the best evidence is that such technology or advanced knowledge was used to make the pyramids, especially at Giza?

3. What do you think that best argument is that the pyramids were not built as a simple tomb?

4. Can you recommend any articles (eg. a few pages) that lay out what you find to be the most persuasive case that this technology was held and used?


5. Can future excavations bring amazing finds, like the kind of amazement we have from the Rosetta Stone or Pyramid Texts or Edgar Cayce's supposed Hall of Records that was never found under the Sphinx as he proposed? If you were allowed to direct excavations, where would you choose to dig?
 
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Egypt and particularly its pyramids are fascinating mind puzzles. It's interesting and curious for me to think that they had advanced technology that we are commonly unaware of today. With that in mind, I wish to ask you:

1. What do you think the best evidence or argument is that by our modern standards ancient Egyptians had advanced technology?

I think it's probably the pyramids.

2. What do you think the best evidence is that such technology or advanced knowledge was used to make the pyramids, especially at Giza?

3. What do you think that best argument is that the pyramids were not built as a simple tomb?

4. Can you recommend any articles (eg. a few pages) that lay out what you find to be the most persuasive case that this technology was held and used?


5. Can future excavations bring amazing finds, like the kind of amazement we have from the Rosetta Stone or Pyramid Texts or Edgar Cayce's supposed Hall of Records that was never found under the Sphinx as he proposed? If you were allowed to direct excavations, where would you choose to dig?
Welcome to the forum, Rakovsky. I'm not up to writing a total theme paper at the moment, but in general I agree with you on your basic premise of the Egyptians having an advanced technology. I have many articles posted here on the site itself giving excellent insight into the questions you put forth. As I am just getting the site back up after a little crisis here, I would ask you give me until tomorrow to respond to the specifics you present.

Just as a side note, I also believe that the government in Egypt has done an excellent job of keeping many secrets in relation to what they have found in the last century. There may be much hidden evidence kept out of the public eye when it comes to the various sites in Egypt.
 
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Some of the most impressive evidence has been photos themselves of the Egyptian objects.

One example is the impressive stone boxes found underground in Egypt:



The tombs above are in the Serapeum, and include a tomb of an Apis bull in Saqqara,

Here is a close-up of one of the stone tombs:


Here is a large stone artefact from a Cairo museum:


Here is a hieroglyph that has been shown sometimes on Ancient Astronauts programs:

I don't know what to make of it. They look like planes and a helicopter, but I think the formal explanation is that they are hieroglyphs written on top of each other.
 
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I don't know what to make of it. They look like planes and a helicopter, but I think the formal explanation is that they are hieroglyphs written on top of each other.
I think that when you put them in context with even older writings and drawings, they are what they appear to be! If you look at the vedic scriptures, you'll see the Vimana, or Flying Machines that share similar characteristics. We often get locked into one culture, without looking at the big picture of how one supports another.

The Vimanas - The Ancient Flying Machines
 
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Egypt and particularly its pyramids are fascinating mind puzzles. It's interesting and curious for me to think that they had advanced technology that we are commonly unaware of today. With that in mind, I wish to ask you:

1. What do you think the best evidence or argument is that by our modern standards ancient Egyptians had advanced technology?

I think it's probably the pyramids.

2. What do you think the best evidence is that such technology or advanced knowledge was used to make the pyramids, especially at Giza?

3. What do you think that best argument is that the pyramids were not built as a simple tomb?

4. Can you recommend any articles (eg. a few pages) that lay out what you find to be the most persuasive case that this technology was held and used?


5. Can future excavations bring amazing finds, like the kind of amazement we have from the Rosetta Stone or Pyramid Texts or Edgar Cayce's supposed Hall of Records that was never found under the Sphinx as he proposed? If you were allowed to direct excavations, where would you choose to dig?
The other answers I have:

2. I don't have a strong opinion on if they did or not. The pyramids are puzzles, the engineering is impressive for the time period, although the SCALE is not hard to believe for humans because of the work force size. I guess that it was not from aliens or ancient lost technology or supernatural forces but I don't know.

3. I don't know what the pyramid's purpose was, but guess it was just to hold a pharaoh like the other pyramids.

4. I havent found articles that persuaded me of advanced technology.

5. I think there are amazing discoveries on the scale of the Rosetta stone or the pyramid texts to be found. I think probably a hidden room in the Giza pyramid has treasure and Khufu's body.
 
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Ancient Egypt is not my specialty area, but opinion wise, I can agree with #2 above...not impossible for humans to build. Purpose? Still not sure, but I do know the astrological alignment was not accidental. Was that from a religious/spiritual belief in Astrology? Or was that alien based? Unsure.

As for advanced technology, depends on your definition. Advanced more than our current state? Perhaps not. BUT, advanced in another way such as from alternative uses of spiritually based energy use? Perhaps.

Once again, referring back to ancient scriptures of Biblical and Vedic origin, it appears there were sky battles of some sort, so that leaves us wondering where that technology comes from.
 
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I think that pyramids are lots of fun, as is Egyptian culture, because it may be the first literary culture in the world. I think their civilization may actually be older than Sumeria's, because the Sumerians replaced the Ubaid culture in that location.
I think major amazing finds on the level of the Pyramid Text and King Tut's tomb remain to be found and I think the pyramids themselves are a location for them.

I don't rule out that there could be unseen paranormal or supernatural forces urging forward civilization, but the idea of physical solid advanced lost equipment seems more difficulty to affirm. We don't have much direct traces of it, other than marks on blocks that are interpreted by theorists as evidence of "advanced machining".

A major difficulty I have with theories of advanced technology is that the scholarly publications are practically all against it. It's not like there is much serious academic scientific work I can cite in a scholarly publication to back up this theory. In contrast, when we talk about alternative theories in cancer or Aids treatment, it seems like there are occasional real studies that can be cited. Even taking into account the establishment views of debunking on the topic, the absence or near-absence of any materials in serious peer reviewed journals advocating these theories over the last 30+ years is a major blow to such theories for me.

For example, when I search the materials, I find:

Ancient Egyptian Masonry: The Building Craft By Somers Clarke, Reginald Engelbach
  • The structures are absolutely awe-inspiring, but the authors [of this book] strip away much of the magic to reveal how hard work, creative ingenuity and an advanced knowledge of math and physics account for some of the amazing architectural feats performed...
  • Barranger [in another book] exposes what he calls the pretender gods, advanced beings who were not divine, [or] had advanced knowledge of scientific principles which included genetic engineering.

Archaeology Under Fire: Nationalism, Politics and Heritage ...
edited by Lynn Meskell
  • During the 1970's the pyramid shape was believed by many people to be magically effective in attaining everything from more effective meditation to sharper razor blades and longer lasting fresh fruit... As Feder has pointed out such theories [as ancient astronauts building pyramids] of extraterrestrial intervention are inherently racist since they are almost always used to explain constructions found in 3rd world countries and are built on the unspoken assumption that the indigenous inhabitants would be incapable of having produced such things themselves. Extraordinary migrations ar enever thought necessary ti explain Greek temples, monumental Neolithic tombs in Europe....
  • More dangerous still because allegedly educational is the increasing numer of TV programs about Egypt... often referred to as infotainment... their sources are rarely Egyptologists. it is difficult... for people outside the academy to know whom to believe. This is even more true of audiences who tend to assume that anythign they see on TV is well supported... An example is JA West [who] apparently has no academic training in Egyptology; yet he claims backed by a scientist from Boston University that the Sphinx has been damaged by water erosion and thus was built before the Sahara became a desert (ignoring 4500 years of occasional rainstorms...) This claim was the basis of an adulatory TV program whcih was narrated by C Heston and which won an Emmy award....

One serious scientific article I found that promoted an idea of advanced technology (but not lost or ET technology) was the article on Egyptian water engineering.

05 March 2010, Water Technology in Ancient Egypt, Larry W. Mays
  • This chapter traces the history of water engineering in ancient Egypt starting with the uses of water from the annual inundation of the Nile River for natural irrigation in the Predynastic period to the development of methodologies to advance the use of the Nile River for irrigation.
Water Technology in Ancient Egypt - Springer

Egyptian water engineering was impressive to me because there is a Canal of the Pharaohs that connected the Nile to the Red Sea and thus the Indian Ocean over a long distance.

Check it out:


It's quite impressive that they did this, even though ET-style or modern advanced technology was not required.

This is from the 19th c. BC.
See:
The Canal of the Pharaohs
The Suez Canal is not the first waterway to link the Mediterranean and Red Seas. The present day Suez Canal is only the latest of its kind. As long ago as the 19th Century B.C, Pharaoh Senusret II built a canal that connected the river Nile to the Red Sea! This so called Canal of the Pharaohs survived in one form or another for over 2500 years! In fact, a modern irrigation canal retraces the ancient route to this day.

As the river Nile approaches the Mediterranean, it branches into a massive delta with multiple distributaries. Pliny the Elder writes that at the time of Senusret, the Nile had seven distinct distributaries, the easternmost of which was called the Pelusiac. In 1850 BC, Senusret built a canal that linked the Pelusiac with the Bitter Lakes – a body of salt water in the Isthmus of Suez. At the time, the Bitter Lakes were directly connected to the Red Sea (the land has since risen and they no longer are). Since there were no bulldozers or gigantic dump trucks available, the Canal of the Pharaohs was built by hand, using bronze shovels and armies of slaves. For this was an era of slave power, and none were more skilled in its uses than the Egyptians. The engineers who built the pyramids understood how to direct their slaves to dig what was basically a very long trench. Thousands of slaves certainly died in the canal’s construction, but inflationary pressures on the slave industry were slight and there were several low cost suppliers, such as the Egyptian military and the Hittites.
 
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Okay, this may take a bit for me to digest! You obviously are very well read in this area and I'm sure outstrip me in expertise regarding a knowledge base on Egypt. However, give me a bit to go over what you present. I'll get back to ya! lol

Do want to throw one more thing across this path of conversation. How do you explain the pyramids around the world in so many different cultures? Did everyone suddenly have the same idea across the world?
 
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Okay, this may take a bit for me to digest! You obviously are very well read in this area and I'm sure outstrip me in expertise regarding a knowledge base on Egypt. However, give me a bit to go over what you present. I'll get back to ya! lol

Do want to throw one more thing across this path of conversation. How do you explain the pyramids around the world in so many different cultures? Did everyone suddenly have the same idea across the world?
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The thing is, that question does not require belief in ET intervention or in advanced technology lost. One can propose that they simultaneously randomly thought of it in Peru and in Egypt because it's a fundamental shape, or one can propose that supernatural forces motivated them, or that Egyptians floated across the Pacific or Atlantic. Heyerdal proposed ( i believe correctly) that Polynesians floated to South America, and Heyerdahl did it himself in a raft to prove it.

It is not hard to think that Chinese, Sumerians, Cambodians, and Egyptians had a connection in building pyramids deliberately and received word or even saw the Egyptian pyramids, since they were connected by land geographically to Africa's landmass and Egypt.

It's the same thing with the Stonehenges you can find in the Sahara and in West Europe - why did both far away places make the circles? No advanced tech is needed or even ET physical intervention - maybe the Saharans spread to Western Europe, or maybe both peoples thought of them.

It doesnt require advanced tech to make stone circles. But the Ancient Advanced tech theorists claim that the pyramids' design requires advanced tech and proves it therefore. Do you see what I mean?
 

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There is a Stonehenge here in the US as well.

I do get your point. Understand that I'm not convinced one way or the other! I'm open to any and all possibilities. The problem we face, IMO, is we don't have enough facts on any particular theory. It's all supposition, even what you propose about traveling societies from place one to place 2.
 
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