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- Sep 22, 2018
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i understand the interest or curiosity of "is there life after death" or what is after death, but for a lot of the people involved it has become just trying to prove the existence of ghosts or spirits, which still dousnt answer the original curiosity in the least. but it does open the door to negative energies which may or may not be what they actually think they are. so either way the original question still remains. so why chance it...lolI can understand people's interest at trying to prove or whatever but I feel it's potentially dangerous to your psyche and intruding in some way.
Oz: I agree with everything except this part. I don't believe anyone's soul is bad or evil, just they have a badly wired brain and when they die the evil thoughts die too.
Oz: I think negative hauntings are from non human entities but they may have had a part in influencing the not very nice person when alive.
Oz: I may be wrong but I just don't think a soul is anything but love.
Paulm: i understand the interest or curiosity of "is there life after death" or what is after death, but for a lot of the people involved it has become just trying to prove the existence of ghosts or spirits, which still dousnt answer the original curiosity in the least. but it does open the door to negative energies which may or may not be what they actually think they are. so either way the original question still remains. so why chance it...lol
i agree and actually that is what i was referring to as far as the question being "life after death", that is just a generic term for whats next?...lol i understand everyones curiosity and wanting to know that this isnt it, our one shot, there has to be more and so on and so on. i was just saying kinda what you confirmed that , that question becomes a search for the proof of "ghosts" (just a term to keep it simple) which still dousnt actually answer the original question. mainly because it still cannot be proven, not just scientifically but also within the paranormal community itself. the variables being just this conversation itself, of half the people believe its negative entities fooling us and the other haf believing its spirits of the deceased, etc.... then there is also the fraud that is so common in all camps of paranormal study, fake psychics, fake ghost hunters and hauntings, frauds in the cryptid field. the limits of scientific knowlege and research. etc... im all for people studying this field, just as i prefer the cryptid side.It is not the case of trying to find out if there is 'life' after death, but in general, is there some sort of existence after we die. I do not believe there is a 'life' in the sense once we pass on, however, I do believe that there is some sort of existence for the human energy field. Seeking evidence for energies in our plane of existence, which we call 'ghosts' or spirits, is an integral and active part of that study.
I think all humans, in general, hold a hope that death is not the end of us. In the Universal 'bigger picture', we want to believe that we do not just spend our time on this planet and then that is it. A lot of people believe that there has to be more. Studying subjects such as reincarnation suggests that there quite possibly maybe.
There are also others, like myself, that have experienced a haunting. It changes you and your outlook on life. In me, I wanted to understand what I had experienced and why. My experiences as a child in the family home at the time has always been my driving force for going into the field of the paranormal, specifically hauntings, at a later stage in my life and as I understood more about what paranormal was.
i agree that the proof of a soul is needed to be on the path of absolute proof. without a soul there is no conscience, and as pure energy travels only on a straight line, without a conscience or decision making, or self awareness then ghosts could not exist. which is kinda where we ae in the scientific world on the topic...lol
yeah, that is way over my head.There is so much science that we thought we knew about that, as we delve into Quantum Mechanics further, we are finding surprising results that change everything we thought we knew. There are also other scientific studies on the horizon, such as Sub-Quantum Mechanics, that will probably just blow our minds in their revelations.
the other side to the scientific view though is what makes the paranormal, the paranormal..lol... energy reacts a certain way, this we know. all things are energy, this we know. etc... what we cant explain is the mysticism, (if that is even real.) how do you make an entity cross over, and where is this "over" place at...lol. how can we trap an energy in a box, ex. dybbik box, anabelles enclosure, etc... this is the side that is actually i think in question.Energy can be manipulated by both gravity and electromagnetism, which of course, are energy fields in their own right. How do we know that other energy fields do not interfere in other energy fields travel? At this moment in time, we don't, as we do not have the scientific knowledge to determine it. We only know what science tells us is so at our current understanding. We simply do not know about, at this time, all the elements, energies, dimensions and all the other things that are said to make up our Universe as a whole.
as science tells us that everything in our universe is made up of energy. Science also tells us that we cannot destroy this energy - we can neither create it. But science will not go as far as to say that it is even plausible (I am not talking about scientific proof through the scientific method - I'm talking about the acknowledgement of something) for this energy to exist in an 'entity' form in our plane of existence. Why is that?
As in a discussion I had with the Association for the Scientific Study of Anomalous Phenomena (ASSAP), let me also ask this question: If 'ghosts' definitely, and undeniably, do not exist, then why are there academic organisations (such as the Society for Psychical Research (SPR), run by professors and other noted academics), and agencies (such as the Department of the Paranormal - DoP - a federal executive department branch of the Union of Everett) who actively research and document paranormal activity? We can't have our cake and eat it......
On a final note, and this is not a dig at anyone, purely an observation (so please do not read into this as anything other than what it is), I find it interesting that some people believe in the existence and study cryptids, aliens, UFOs and other phenomena that fall under the paranormal umbrella, yet they cannot believe in the possibility of 'ghosts'. Yes, we have Bigfoot footage, and UFO footage and other things caught on camera. We also do in the world of hauntings. Yet these subject matters are also discredited as there is no scientific evidence, that can be presented by the scientific method, to prove their existence. As a species, we are extremely selective in what we want to believe in.
agree. i dont go the scientific route just yet not because i dont think it has answers but because its a long way off from explaining the mystical properties. if that is the right word to even use....lol...just too many gaps to be filled in yetTotally enjoying this conversation. May I add my 2 cents from a "time" perspective?
I began my journey with the paranormal at age 5...for those of you counting, that would be 63 years ago. (Yes, I'm older than dirt.) What we believed in the paranormal world and were taught waaaay back then has remained basically the same for me, although some of the semantics have changed. What HAS changed is that much of what science said was impossible all those years ago has shifted to possible or even been confirmed.
We can't box in the possibilities just because science hasn't a way to measure something or confirm something yet. In my lifetime I have seen that change over and over again.
I understand that. That gap is getting smaller, but "small" is a relative term when it comes to this stuff! lolagree. i dont go the scientific route just yet not because i dont think it has answers but because its a long way off from explaining the mystical properties. if that is the right word to even use....lol...just too many gaps to be filled in yet