For those of us who have been here on PNF for a long time, Ed Dames is a bit of a joke to us. Dr. Doom, as he's called, is not held in high esteem even within the remote viewing circles from which he comes. As to Art, Art always did the interviews as "I'll get out of the listeners way and let them decide." Actually, he and Ed had a huge falling out in the later years, as Art did challenge some of his claims at one point and Ed didn't appear on the show after that. Whitley Streiber has admitted that even up to Art's death, as close friends as they were, Art NEVER told Whitley if he believed what Whitley said about his encounters. That's simply how Art worked his show....he was an entertainer as well as an interviewer.