Grill time!

[Donna K.]

Ketchup!!! No Ketchup!!
I am afraid that I am a total carnivore. I feed them and I eat them. I am just a part of the cycle of life. I appreciate their sacrifice and abhor cruelty but all things have a time to live and a time to die. Even a total vegan plays a part in this. The forests are cleared to make the fields and the fields are plowed to plant the crops. The creatures that lived on that land are affected and die. All living things...maybe ALL things...are a part of the same body of life and we live together and die together.

Yeah Yeah... heard it all before. All of that is a Straw man argument. I could debate each of your points one by one ~ and we could be here all night. But, I won't. Here. In this thread.

When I said:

I don't want to wind up at The Gate in front of The Judge and The Book with my breath and body reeking of dead innocent animals.

I wasn't being philosophical. I was being literal. I said what I said and I meant what I said. It wasn't an argument against or for ... anything. Ever heard of Penance? Atonement? I walk where I walk for a Reason... Not a philosophy.

I do love me some bacon, but I'm not gonna die without it. Oh. lololol

 

[garnetsilver]

I had never tried grass fed beef before, and boy oh by what a difference! But I agree with Lynne; I feel guilty eating dead animals, but have found that I need protein flesh for energy, So I try to at least eat the meat of healthy animals. Pork disagrees with me, and I wake up with joint pain the day following my consumption of it. But yes, I do love bacon, lol. Why is it that the best tasting things end up being bad for you?

 

[TexDanm]

I was raised a country boy and in the country, on the farm, you get up close and personal with life and death. If you want to eat something is going to have to die. I have been there when they were born. I've fed them and cared for them and in the end, I have killed them. You can and do care for and about them. You try to ensure that they are healthy and when their time comes you make sure that they don't suffer and you appreciate that they are giving you life with their life.

There is no heartlessness in this it is just the cycle of life. I understand that a lot of people can't actually face and deal with this part of the food chain. Somebody has to do it though. If you were raised with this it is just something that you deal with. I can be butchering and thinking about how good it is going to be to eat at the same time. I guess the predator part of my soul is nearer the surface than it is in city people that buy all their meat at a store and don't feel responsible for the life that was lost to feed them.

 

[Lynne]

I was raised a country boy and in the country, on the farm, you get up close and personal with life and death. If you want to eat something is going to have to die. I have been there when they were born. I've fed them and cared for them and in the end, I have killed them. You can and do care for and about them. You try to ensure that they are healthy and when their time comes you make sure that they don't suffer and you appreciate that they are giving you life with their life.

There is no heartlessness in this it is just the cycle of life. I understand that a lot of people can't actually face and deal with this part of the food chain. Somebody has to do it though. If you were raised with this it is just something that you deal with. I can be butchering and thinking about how good it is going to be to eat at the same time. I guess the predator part of my soul is nearer the surface than it is in city people that buy all their meat at a store and don't feel responsible for the life that was lost to feed them.

Very wise and true words.

 

[Donna K.]

There is no heartlessness in this it is just the cycle of life. I understand that a lot of people can't actually face and deal with this part of the food chain. Somebody has to do it though. If you were raised with this it is just something that you deal with. I can be butchering and thinking about how good it is going to be to eat at the same time. I guess the predator part of my soul is nearer the surface than it is in city people that buy all their meat at a store and don't feel responsible for the life that was lost to feed them.

I can't speak for anyone else here - but I'm not a city girl. I've lived in the back woods in the Ozark Mountains for 34 years come July. I have hunted... PERSONALLY hunted - Rabbit, Squirrel, Deer, and Wild Turkey. I can string a deer, pulley it up to a tree limb, cut it's throat, skin, gut, clean, and have the meat packaged before you could sneeze... with NO waste. And I'm in my sixties.

Before I came here, My husband and I lived outside Haven, Kansas for 11 years, on his family's wheat farm where he was born and raised. They also raised beef, chicken's, and a hog or two. I worked that farm right along side the rest of them. And I enjoyed the cr*p out of it.

My step-son is the head of The Buffalo Council for the Lakota and Cheyenne Arapaho Nations. He travels across all The Nations in the U.S. re-introducing Buffalo as a sustainable food for the Tribes. He also does all the Sings/Prayers over the Buffalo during Buffalo Harvest - and make's the killing shot. Until a few years ago I attended many of these Harvest with him and helped skin, gut, clean, and distribute that meat... right beside the rest of the Women Elders -
So. No. Not a city girl.

Don't mistake some one who chooses not to eat meat as some kind of tree-hugging hippie city slicker that the country boy's have a right to look down on...'cause they just don't get it... probably think that steak they're eating come's from the stork... brahahha...'

American's consume over 200% more meat per person a year, then the recommended level for healthy eating - 2/3's of the world survive on one bowl of rice a day. Just because you CAN doesn't mean you should. Or shouldn't. That's called a life choice.

I consider a predator some one or thing that stalks then kills its prey. Raising animals for slaughter is only predatory in the vaguest sense. I wonder some times, what is going to happen when human's find out they are NOT the top of the food chain. Herd em up. Move em out. Rawhide.

 

[WitchAndShaman]

I wonder some times, what is going to happen when human's find out they are NOT the top of the food chain.

I know for certain Donna, I’m most likely to end up as someone’s rump roast. I’m filled with buttery yummy goodness. However, if that predator comes along much later in my life, I might end up as jerky instead.

 

[TexDanm]

I have had the experience of being prey several times. In my case, my wolf comes out and I never feel as alive as when I might have to fight for my life. I know that being Vegan is not necessarily limited to city folks but you have to admit that most country people have a more realistic view of the cycle of life and the place that death plays in it.

I have a vegan friend. She and her husband operate a small organic farm and also raise chickens. He is NOT vegan. She finally had to give up and eat meat. She was so thin that she couldn't get pregnant. She returned to eating meat gained a little weight and they now have a beautiful little boy. If you don't eat meat and avoid carbs like they are poison you are not going to be very healthy.

The people that bother me are the ones that don't want others to hunt and think that eating animals is cruel but then will drink milk, eat eggs and wear leather. I am an unashamed carnivore. I will also confess that when I was young I was a killer and hunted things for pleasure.

As I grew older I mostly gave up hunting. I am a rather gentle soul in a lot of ways and stop to help turtles cross the roads, catch and take wasps and spiders that get into the house back outside. I actually train my wasps and they accept me much as bees do and even allow me to handle them. I move snakes elsewhere rather than kill them and actually feel a part of my environment no more or less important than any other part of it.

Many of my beliefs have been influenced by various Native-American philosophies. Actually, I have learned a lot from many different faiths. All are much the same...a search for meaning and connection to the unknown...

 

[Donna K.]

The people that bother me are the ones that don't want others to hunt and think that eating animals is cruel but then will drink milk, eat eggs and wear leather. I am an unashamed carnivore. I will also confess that when I was young I was a killer and hunted things for pleasure.

Listen. Over the last 10 years people have been flocking to this area like buzzards on a dead - anything - These people are all from anywhere but here... with a couple of State's representing the majority. The land in this area is very deep woods and pristine, and is(was) very very cheap compared to most comparable land across the U.S. To a one, they all came from 'the city'... from the beginning it was clear that most of them were insufferable in their attitudes toward - well - everything. And they had no problem telling you about their superior knowledge. Just when we (the community) started getting used to this anomaly ~ about 5 years ago it got worse... the alt-right were here.

The first wave of newbie city people at least stayed mostly confined within their property boundaries ~ but not so these one's. They come right on up and insist on telling you what's what in the world. One day this guy comes knocking on my door with ~ "can me and so and so hunt here? we bought that property so and so over there. We heard there is black bear over here. We want to hunt that. Every one is going to need food pretty soon you know. Give and get, if you see..."

Now. My land is posted. I'm old. I think they are all full of s**t. I don't want them at my door. EVER. And that's pretty much what I told them... Less than a week later the word was out. That lady is a Liberal/Socialist/Commie/Traiter. Down on hunters ~ trying to take our second Amendment Right to bear arms...

I'll tell you up front that I've been called a lot of things since I came here... and that has been a 'Whatever'. But this is over the line. I'm not happy. Make's me want to pull out my gun and shoot them in the knee, I mean foot... I'm almost hoping they just keep on.

So, I might be a little sensitive to hearing 'labels' right now. A person might make one assumption to many and that one is enough. Where everyone needs to get is - stay out of mine and I'll stay out of yours. There is not always an agenda. Despite the current thinking, individuals don't need a reason or leaning to make a personal choice. Is all I am saying.

 

[ozentity]

can me and so and so hunt here

I don't blame you for not wanting them on your land,they can hunt on their own place or grow their meat.No one wants hunters with unknown safety skills shooting around their home.Even if they label you, you will be more respected,plus I don' like blokes trying to pressure ladies,those picked the wrong one as I can gather from your posts,lol.

 

[ozentity]

Listen. Over the last 10 years people have been flocking to this area like buzzards

This is happening World wide Donna,too many people and not enough wilderness,its a real worry.