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Hello. My name is Obsidian. I have never been to this forum before, and 30 minutes ago I didn't know it existed. I'm at Tim Horton's for their wifi and I can't access 4chan.org/x/, where I normally post, due to their no porn internet policy. This might be the only time I post here, maybe not. I needed to say something, and say it to a more receptive audience than Facebook.
I've been frustrated lately by the shows on Travel and OLN, etc, about ghost hunters or paranormal activity in general. Specifically because they don't know what they're doing, and misinformation can be as damaging as outright lies. So I've come here to dispel some myths and lay down a framework for proper paranormal investigating. Feel free to offer suggestions, counter suggestions, comments, discussion, etc.

NOTE: When it comes to matters of the paranormal, I have Christian beliefs that more or less dictate my approach to it. They have never let me down. I know that religion can be a turn off to some people, but don't stop reading now. If you're on this website, you already have an open mind, so please, keep an open mind for me.

HOW TO PROPERLY INVESTIGATE THE PARANORMAL:

1. There is no such thing as proper paranormal investigating.
The best way to go about it is to STAY AWAY. But if you're one of those persistent people that doesn't listen to good advice, go about it WITH EXTREME CAUTION. As you and I know, countless times investigators have been possessed or wounded (typically 3 bloody scratches).

2. DO NOT PROVOKE ENTITIES!
That's just asking for trouble. See #1.

3. TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY IS TO BE WITH THE LORD.
This one verse percludes any possibility that what you are talking to is human, or was once human. I'd say this is the most important thing to remember. I know how emotional it can be, to think that we can still communicate with our loved ones after they leave their bodies, but it's simply not possible. However, there are a plethora of malevolent entities that would be more than happy to impersonate your dead friends or relatives.

4. ALL ENTITIES ARE DECEPTIVE.
There is no such thing as a truthful spirit. If you have established communication with an entity, you can safely assume that nothing it tells you is 100% accurate. It may be partially accurate, but that's only because the best lies are mixed with truth. There is ALWAYS intent to decieve and lead astray. Even if it may not look like you are being decieved, you are being decieved. This is the primary reason why I suggest staying away from paranormal investigation entirely. They will fill your head with nonsense and keep you from knowing the truth.

5. ALL ENTITIES ARE DANGEROUS.
It may be instant aggression, it may be a honey pot. But sooner or later, if you stay around spirits you WILL be hurt. They can possess you and make you act different, make you sick, and make you hurt yourself or other people. Or they can just manipulate you and turn you into another honey pot for other people, like those psychics and mediums who claim they can talk to your dead aunt (that's not to say all psychics and mediums are crocks, as some of them do have real powers. But where those powers come from is questionable, and since all spirits are deceptive, whatever they say must be taken with several grains of salt).

6. SPEAKING OF SALT...
It doesn't work. Crosses don't work. Incense doesn't work. Holy water doesn't work. No mantra or chant works. The only thing that can remove an evil presence from your home or from a person's body is SCRIPTURE. The living Word of God. It doesn't matter who reads it, they don't even have to believe in God (though they might after having such an experience), they just have to read the words. Especially the words of Jesus.

7. AND IF SCRIPTURE WORKS IN AN EXORCISM...
...why not take it a step further? You'll never have to worry about being possessed or scratched by some demon with a three-clawed hand, if you apply Scripture to your life. Ya ya, some Christian advertising, knock knock Jehovas Witness, don't shove the Bible down my throat - I get it. I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I know as well as the next guy that tactic isn't very effective. But in all honesty, the best way to be safe from evil entities (demons) is to have the Word of God in your heart. I've been at this for 12 years, so I'm not just some greenhorn noob Christfag with Jesus Fever, tootin his shofar to proclaim the Good News for all the world to hear. I actually know what I'm talking about. Go to church. Associate with other believers. Read the Bible. Pray for spiritual protection, and especially pray for spiritual WISDOM. Like I said in the beginning, my beliefs have never let me down. But I'm just one person, and my experiences are not transferable. If you really want to know what I know, you'll have to take a leap of faith and trust God to show you the truth ;)

Good luck, and God bless you.
 
Hello, Obsidian. Your opinions are welcome, however, we respect all religions here based on love. Your faith and belief are apparent and will be honored as such. We have quite a mix of faiths here, and we do honor them all. I myself am Mystic Wiccan, and happen to be best friends with a nun. I can honor and respect your beliefs if you can honor mine. And btw, I've been at this a few years myself....like 50 of them. I have a bit of life experience, too.

You cannot find answers to the unknown without investigation. If investigating is something you feel is not within your belief system, then by all means do not investigate.
 
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I didn't say investigating was not allowed ever. I highly advise staying away from it. But you don't have to play with fire to learn that it's bright and hot :)
 
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As one with experience in it, I agree to some degree. IF you don't know what you're doing, don't poke the bear. I often give very specific advice here, Obsidian, as to what NOT to do, and advice on how to be safe and put up protection. In my belief, there is validity in some of the things you say don't work...holy water, salt and crucifixes have been tools against evil for centuries when used by those who believe in God. It may amaze you that I happen to believe in God, and that I call upon St. Michael the Archangel as well for protection. With 50 years in the field working with the paranormal, I can say that the items in contention most certainly do work when used correctly.
 
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Hello. My name is Obsidian. I have never been to this forum before, and 30 minutes ago I didn't know it existed. I'm at Tim Horton's for their wifi and I can't access 4chan.org/x/, where I normally post, due to their no porn internet policy. This might be the only time I post here, maybe not. I needed to say something, and say it to a more receptive audience than Facebook.
I've been frustrated lately by the shows on Travel and OLN, etc, about ghost hunters or paranormal activity in general. Specifically because they don't know what they're doing, and misinformation can be as damaging as outright lies. So I've come here to dispel some myths and lay down a framework for proper paranormal investigating. Feel free to offer suggestions, counter suggestions, comments, discussion, etc.

NOTE: When it comes to matters of the paranormal, I have Christian beliefs that more or less dictate my approach to it. They have never let me down. I know that religion can be a turn off to some people, but don't stop reading now. If you're on this website, you already have an open mind, so please, keep an open mind for me.

HOW TO PROPERLY INVESTIGATE THE PARANORMAL:

1. There is no such thing as proper paranormal investigating.
The best way to go about it is to STAY AWAY. But if you're one of those persistent people that doesn't listen to good advice, go about it WITH EXTREME CAUTION. As you and I know, countless times investigators have been possessed or wounded (typically 3 bloody scratches).

2. DO NOT PROVOKE ENTITIES!
That's just asking for trouble. See #1.

3. TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY IS TO BE WITH THE LORD.
This one verse percludes any possibility that what you are talking to is human, or was once human. I'd say this is the most important thing to remember. I know how emotional it can be, to think that we can still communicate with our loved ones after they leave their bodies, but it's simply not possible. However, there are a plethora of malevolent entities that would be more than happy to impersonate your dead friends or relatives.

4. ALL ENTITIES ARE DECEPTIVE.
There is no such thing as a truthful spirit. If you have established communication with an entity, you can safely assume that nothing it tells you is 100% accurate. It may be partially accurate, but that's only because the best lies are mixed with truth. There is ALWAYS intent to decieve and lead astray. Even if it may not look like you are being decieved, you are being decieved. This is the primary reason why I suggest staying away from paranormal investigation entirely. They will fill your head with nonsense and keep you from knowing the truth.

5. ALL ENTITIES ARE DANGEROUS.
It may be instant aggression, it may be a honey pot. But sooner or later, if you stay around spirits you WILL be hurt. They can possess you and make you act different, make you sick, and make you hurt yourself or other people. Or they can just manipulate you and turn you into another honey pot for other people, like those psychics and mediums who claim they can talk to your dead aunt (that's not to say all psychics and mediums are crocks, as some of them do have real powers. But where those powers come from is questionable, and since all spirits are deceptive, whatever they say must be taken with several grains of salt).

6. SPEAKING OF SALT...
It doesn't work. Crosses don't work. Incense doesn't work. Holy water doesn't work. No mantra or chant works. The only thing that can remove an evil presence from your home or from a person's body is SCRIPTURE. The living Word of God. It doesn't matter who reads it, they don't even have to believe in God (though they might after having such an experience), they just have to read the words. Especially the words of Jesus.

7. AND IF SCRIPTURE WORKS IN AN EXORCISM...
...why not take it a step further? You'll never have to worry about being possessed or scratched by some demon with a three-clawed hand, if you apply Scripture to your life. Ya ya, some Christian advertising, knock knock Jehovas Witness, don't shove the Bible down my throat - I get it. I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I know as well as the next guy that tactic isn't very effective. But in all honesty, the best way to be safe from evil entities (demons) is to have the Word of God in your heart. I've been at this for 12 years, so I'm not just some greenhorn noob Christfag with Jesus Fever, tootin his shofar to proclaim the Good News for all the world to hear. I actually know what I'm talking about. Go to church. Associate with other believers. Read the Bible. Pray for spiritual protection, and especially pray for spiritual WISDOM. Like I said in the beginning, my beliefs have never let me down. But I'm just one person, and my experiences are not transferable. If you really want to know what I know, you'll have to take a leap of faith and trust God to show you the truth ;)

Good luck, and God bless you.

Welcome to the forum....I happen to agree with a lot of what you wrote-not all-but a lot. I do DISAGREE on point #6-there are many things imo that can help ward off evil...

Again, welcome here and visit anytime you wish...