I don't trust China to give out accurate numbers.We now have more cases than China did.
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These people make me mad!
I was shopping at Woolworths a couple
Of weeks ago and a man was coughing all over the bakery items and started to go down an isle and do the same thing. I saw a worker there and told him and I was in earshot and he came jumping up the isle saying “what’s wrong what’s wrong what’s wrong” and jumping near me and the Woolworths employee and telling the employee I was a liar etc I had my baby with me so I bolted lol and he was thrown out of the store from security. I wish more was done with him, he was obviously not all there.
Also I did work at a supermarket when I was younger for 12 years. The amount of things I have seen is really disgusting. As annoying as it is I recommend buying the products up at the back of a couple behind the shelf. Unfortunately people coughing and spitting on food is a normal thing I used to see it about once every 2 weeks on average. God knows what they have they could have anything.
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Yes I was shocked to see this Debi. Praying you will be okay!We now have more cases than China did.
I had to not look at the news for a couple of days just to reset.
Australia is set at 2996 cases with 13 deaths. A lot of people are pushing for a complete lockdown but our PM is worried about the economy so he is keeping things open. I feel constantly confused, I just keep my family inside and make sure we have food.
Australia is set at 2996 cases with 13 deaths. A lot of people are pushing for a complete lockdown but our PM is worried about the economy so he is keeping things open. I feel constantly confused, I just keep my family inside and make sure we have food.
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The best move Emma,it's just not worth confronting anyone atm.I never thought of mentally ill people,no room for them in care facilities and their crazy behaviour could be a big source for spreading the virus.
Yes that’s so true I just thought it wasn’t worth it he would of coughed or spat on me so I left the employee to deal with him lol the employee was a young bloke who I thought could handle it that’s why I told him. I didn’t think he would hear me he was about 10 metres from me and he started spitting on the jars of peanut butter but he wanted to know who was watching him. Another lady came up to support what I was saying as she saw it too but when she saw him start jumping down the isle towards us she ran away too lol Just so unfortunate.
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Disgusting ,dangerous behaviour,it looks like they need to lock these people away,at least for now,they could kill hundreds.
I'm going to poke my head up here with relating a conversation I had with my neighbor about statistics in general, and C-19.
He is a dentist, and had some rigorous graduate level courses, like me. We came to a consensus on a number of things that is getting lost in the media discussion.
1. The death numbers are suspect. A Stanford study looked at the causes of death in Italy and by filtering out the bias, determined a much lower # for C-19 cause of death . This number is our denominator.
2. The numerator is the number of tests given. There is a whole host of problems with the validity of the WHO tests. There are so many false positives and false negatives that it makes it statistically irrelevant. Any test that fails to accurately measure to the 70th percentile may as well not exist. So we have to throw all those numbers out.
Now there are many valid tests worldwide. But here is the rub. There are not enough valid tests given yet to provide a sample size with statistical power.
3. Statistical power is another term for a confidence interval.
The confidence interval says I can predict the outcome with 80% or 90% or 99% certainty....ect. Now the statisticians really can't just give an answer to how many people will die or how long this virus will last just because people want to have a firm answer. They need lots of accurate raw #'s first.
Now I can tell you that with 99.999% certainty that the sky is blue & the sun will come up tomorrow. Well that has a very strong confidence interval but it also tells us absolutely nothing.
Likewise we can cast the net so wide that it is nothing but conjecture that you hear on the media everyday. 10 to 1 odds against, is not a sound way to set public policy. Neither is its opposite.
4. So to get a handle on reality the actual causes of death have to be culled of bias, and more testing has to be done to develop the statistical power to make a safe bet on future outcomes.
5. And for what it's worth we both think that the self quarantine will be extended another two weeks.
6. When all of these numbers are in we are going to find out that the mortality rate is much lower than previously reported. More tests, less death dilutes that %.
7. Now before we come off as two egghead know it alls standing in the middle of the cul-de-sac (6' away) providing the calm voice of reason - C-19 is a big scary real world problem with the potential for catastrophic Global disaster. It is an unknown and must be dealt with caution. And neither of us are finding fault with policymakers.
He is a dentist, and had some rigorous graduate level courses, like me. We came to a consensus on a number of things that is getting lost in the media discussion.
1. The death numbers are suspect. A Stanford study looked at the causes of death in Italy and by filtering out the bias, determined a much lower # for C-19 cause of death . This number is our denominator.
2. The numerator is the number of tests given. There is a whole host of problems with the validity of the WHO tests. There are so many false positives and false negatives that it makes it statistically irrelevant. Any test that fails to accurately measure to the 70th percentile may as well not exist. So we have to throw all those numbers out.
Now there are many valid tests worldwide. But here is the rub. There are not enough valid tests given yet to provide a sample size with statistical power.
3. Statistical power is another term for a confidence interval.
The confidence interval says I can predict the outcome with 80% or 90% or 99% certainty....ect. Now the statisticians really can't just give an answer to how many people will die or how long this virus will last just because people want to have a firm answer. They need lots of accurate raw #'s first.
Now I can tell you that with 99.999% certainty that the sky is blue & the sun will come up tomorrow. Well that has a very strong confidence interval but it also tells us absolutely nothing.
Likewise we can cast the net so wide that it is nothing but conjecture that you hear on the media everyday. 10 to 1 odds against, is not a sound way to set public policy. Neither is its opposite.
4. So to get a handle on reality the actual causes of death have to be culled of bias, and more testing has to be done to develop the statistical power to make a safe bet on future outcomes.
5. And for what it's worth we both think that the self quarantine will be extended another two weeks.
6. When all of these numbers are in we are going to find out that the mortality rate is much lower than previously reported. More tests, less death dilutes that %.
7. Now before we come off as two egghead know it alls standing in the middle of the cul-de-sac (6' away
) providing the calm voice of reason - C-19 is a big scary real world problem with the potential for catastrophic Global disaster. It is an unknown and must be dealt with caution. And neither of us are finding fault with policymakers.- Status