Awkward conversations.

TexDanm said:
One of the Wiccan witches that I spent a lot of time with as actually an Italian Strega Witch. It ran strong in the women in her family. Before I met her I had little in the way of fine control and probably not much in the way of direction. She was the second of two guides that I have had that helped me to come to terms with my life. The first saved me. I was not able to shield or deal with what I was feeling. I, at times when I was young, couldn't separate what were my feelings and what were not my feelings. As I look back now I see a lot of things differently.

Without shields or understanding when my mom went through the change and had a hysterectomy she was emotionally PMS for several years. I was doing puberty and my sensitivity was growing. It came hairline close to killing me. My opinion and the general consensus was that I was crazy. Nothing seemed t help. Finally, after three hellified years, I met my first guide. It was so strange. He was a 70 something Methodist Minister and WITCH and I was a stupid lost 17-year-old teetering on the edge of insanity. In his special way, he pulled my mind together and explained to me what was happening. just having someone tell me that I wasn't crazy was pretty refreshing. The clairvoyance I had become comfortable with but I didn't understand and couldn't control my empathetic senses.

He taught me how to still my mind and how to separate what I felt truly from what I felt empathetically. When I did this I guess shields just spontaneously happened. As time passed they became stronger and then I learned how to peak through them without letting what I found to become a part of me.

He was an amazing man that drew together so many things and made them into a single blended faith. He had no problem putting his paranormal together with his religious faiths. Do no harm lest it returns to you threefold is just another way of saying do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Jesus was a son of God and a very powerful witch. He taught me that the true power of a witch is in their love. If you only allow your actions to be ruled by love your strength will grow.

Dark Witches have lost their way and allowed anger, resentment, and greed to twist them. They can no longer do good. He also told me that they could never harm me as long as I refused to allow them to anger me and offered them only love and pity. He was right. When I met evil he tried to reach me. He would have liked to anger me or offend me. I recognized in him what he was and just smiled and laughed at his efforts and wished that I could remove his pain. You could see his frustration. He was a very unpleasant man.

I wish that we would come out of our dark ages. Children need to be watched and prepared for the possibility that they may have abilities. Their lives would be so much better if they could receive guidance before they were forced to deal with it with no understanding. In a lot of cases like mine, I think that the dark can easily find root in the pain and misery. I was fortunate. It left scars on my mind and body but didn't destroy me as it could have.
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Very well said, this may remind others of their trials of growth and the path which brought them to where they are today...and may help those who are presently going through something similar....
 
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Debi said:
One thing I will mention here. The energy of the universe, designed by the Divine, is used by everyone, both witches and non-witches. It's all intention-based, so don't let the term Witch throw anyone off here. Different approaches to utilizing it at times, but it's all One. Don't let the semantics get in the way. Some use it through prayer and going straight to the One. Some try to shift it with intention through the Source. It's all names..words. One power behind it all.
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It is hard not to let semantics get in the way. The problem in my case is that I don't really know what to call the different sorts of people that I have met or heard of. I will try to explain what I mean. There are people that through inherited traits, study and practice seem to be able to influence physical things and the mental processes of other people by mental will and intention. There is another group that does much the same thing but does it assisted by or with chemical and physical things. I include potent makers and Alchemistry in this group. All of these people can use their abilities to manipulate their environment. In the wildest way, I sort of throw all of these into the category of witchcraft. There are a host of names and I honestly don't know where the distinction is for each from the others. You have witches, warlocks, sorcerers, the telekinetic, pyrokinetic and possibly the telepathic that may fit into this group.

Another group is what I call sensitives. These don't have much if any power to change things either mental or physical in the people and world around them. What they seem to have are the passive abilities to sense things that are not normally detected by other people. They may feel, see or perceiving the people and world around them the ebbs and flows of time, space, emotions and other alternate realities that are not normally covered by the 5 senses. This includes the various forms of clairvoyance, the empathic senses, the ability to find lost things, water or substance witching, animal whispering, remote viewing and other odd abilities that are all passive in nature.

Some combine parts of both that passive and the active powers. I don't know what to call all of the different sorts of people. Many call themselves witches that are only dabblers that are playing games. Some of the Wiccianare witches but most that I have met are basically using the Wiccan philosophies as a spiritual path to a more harmonic relationship with their higher creators. You can find versions of this in many groups.

I ask of you, are there better descriptions and names to define these people and does the name change with their intentions being for the light or for the dark?

PS: I describe myself as basically a sensitive and have passive abilities with little or no ability to mould the world or people around me.
 
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TexDanm said:
I ask of you, are there better descriptions and names to define these people and does the name change with their intentions being for the light or for the dark?
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Hi TD, my experiences as shared on the PNF intersect with some of your...sans ever having a spiritual guide or mentor. I am by trade a technical trainer - I teach adults - and find that careful, intentional use of words is critical to my work.

However, Debi has been trying to teach me (for the more than two years that I have been a member of the PFN) to give up on labeling the mystical. I’m still working on it.
 
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Rowan2222 said:
Following on from Bob's post and my answer, it dawned on me just how many times I have started awkward conversations with complete strangers.

This is something nobody seems to offer advice on so I thought it would be worth discussing tactics.

People like us sense or see spirits, and often gain a lot of information at a location - but then what? Sometimes I have tried to catch an owner at a quiet time and quietly suggest that the place may have an active spirit, and was confirmed.
Other times I am confident enough to brazenly drop in casual conversation "oh - do you know you have a ghost in the basement - and when was the fire?". This one fell on new staff members who looked a bit shocked. :D

I have sat opposite two women at a bar and just blurted out - are you witches? - to which the answer was yes, but weren't obviously dressed as such...and the conversation continued.

I have also sat next to a doctor at a dinner party, and I don't know what it was but I just knew she was one. I said something which followed along that line, and she went very quiet, but cornered me later and asked how I knew? We got along well after that.

I have asked staff in quite a few places about resident spirits - usually to the answer that they don't know, but later research proves me right.

I suppose I am just labelled as that weird guy or some kind of freak, but makes me curious as to how you broach the subject. Or if you ever do?
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Thanks for opening up a thread to this philosophical and moralistic point.

For me, I take the gross tactic that info about others which I perceive I have received only psychically is most often info that they have not chosen to share with me. So I choose discretion and elect not to reveal same to them. Don’t mean to sound preachy - just sharing my position.

That is not to say that I have not - on more than a few occasions - put my foot into my mouth by accidentally speaking out loud even kind of personal info which I did not recognize as having been received psychically.
 
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I don't see the harm in asking someone who you sense is Wiccan or at least on that side of things if they are or not. But to do so you have to start somewhere and sense it..unless you are in the habit of asking everyone you meet. To give me a headache just for trying to make friends seems a bit harsh. Maybe I should change my approach or use different words. Or just ignore everyone and drink my pint alone. TBH I don't even go out that much, so maybe that is why.

I am glad to say that I have never "outed" anyone, but only built good relationships with people who share an interest. Many have diverse beliefs and by conversation helped me understand aspects that I would not have thought about before. Druids for example. I still think I may be part Druish. ;)

The problems I have had seem to be in finding out more about a place from the owners when I see something. I think at the York Hotel it was a quiet word asking if he has had anything odd going on in the basement, because I thought the place may have a spirit.
Discretion seems to be the key. Although if you dress all in black with a pentacle the size of a dinner plate around your neck I probably wouldn't want to talk anyway. :D
 
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Rowan2222 said:
Maybe I should change my approach or use different words.
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Rowan, I'm just sayin' you need to use a different opening line and then work your way to that. It's like walking up to someone you don't know and asking "Are you a Christian?" or any other religion. Hold a conversation first at least. Buy them a drink! ;)
 
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TexDanm said:
I ask of you, are there better descriptions and names to define these people and does the name change with their intentions being for the light or for the dark?
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WitchAndShaman said:
to give up on labeling the mystical. I’m still working on it.
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We use a lot of labels, and my core point is this: don't let your own interpretation of a name or label get in the way of understanding the deeper truths. We label things because we have no other way of talking about them, but what one person may label a dark spirit another may see as a demon, and they may be talking of the same energy.

We label the paranormal by our own perceptions, which is influenced by our religious, spiritual or scientific understandings of it. We actually don't know WHAT these things are at the moment or all the causes for paranormal events. We can assume a few things, like what appears to work to control it, but we really can't prove what they are.
 
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I would never out someone for several reasons. Mostly because it would be massively rude and isn't my place to do this. This applies to all sorts of things and not just this. I would never ask someone in front of other people if they were a witch or if they were gay or anything else that they might have a personal reason to not wish to answer in public. Another reason is that if they or the other people there are non-believers they are going to think that you are maybe more than a little off. Worst-case scenario some hardcore born again Christian may go off on you about it being satanic. When I was young I was regularly told that I was going to hell for asking the various unaskable questions or revealing a belief in evil things like ESP and such. As crazy as people are acting these days I wouldn't ask someone in public if they were a Trump supporter!

If I was curious enough I might out myself just to see how they reacted. I got past caring about being told that I was going to hell, being thought I was crazy or judged a long time ago. I have done this a bunch of times and inevitable after the initial reaction of the group when we all split up, one or two will come back to me with questions or to share their thoughts and experiences with me. I've met a lot of very interesting people that way.
 
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Debi said:
We use a lot of labels, and my core point is this: don't let your own interpretation of a name or label get in the way of understanding the deeper truths. We label things because we have no other way of talking about them, but what one person may label a dark spirit another may see as a demon, and they may be talking of the same energy.

We label the paranormal by our own perceptions, which is influenced by our religious, spiritual or scientific understandings of it. We actually don't know WHAT these things are at the moment or all the causes for paranormal events. We can assume a few things, like what appears to work to control it, but we really can't prove what they are.
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I’m still very much attending group therapy...

“Hi. My name is WandS. And, I’m a mystic...”
 
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