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Quick question. Do you believe that angels are also jinn or are they a different creature?
Good question Charleh. I was wondering if you use the term Djinn to refer to all angelic beings regardless of their status (fallen or not)?
 
Quick question. Do you believe that angels are also jinn or are they a different creature?

No, angels are different. Jinns, like are human are mortal and will also be judged for their actions. Like humans they also possess free will. None of this applies to angels.
 
Good question Charleh. I was wondering if you use the term Djinn to refer to all angelic beings regardless of their status (fallen or not)?

As provided in the answer to Charleh's question, angels and jinns are different types of beings altogether. Also, in Islam we don't have a concept of fallen angels...by their very nature, angels can't fall.
 
No, angels are different. Jinns, like are human are mortal and will also be judged for their actions. Like humans they also possess free will. None of this applies to angels.
Demons possess free will, though they are influenced by a higher power the free will they have is what caused their fall from grace.
Angels have a job to serve God's will. when The higher archy decided to go against that it became free will, the lower ranks were influenced by either side. The one called Lucifer (believe it or not) has the same mindset we have. "I serve no one beneath me" God's will is for the Angels to serve humans, to the fallen it was a disgrace or an insult. if you read the story of the 200 watchers in the book of Enoch they were bound in chains waiting to be judged.

sorry if this statement seems to be arrogant it isn't meant to be this is only my opinion on what I have read and what I have read seems to explain a lot of questions I had about how we live and how the world as we know it evolved to what it is.

Here is a list of some of the Angels that will stand judgment for teaching Humanity forbidden knowledge.
1. Semyaza, Shemyaza, Semjaza, Semiaza, Samyaza, Shemhazai
"Taught enchantments and root-cuttings."

2. Azazel, Azazyel, Azaziel
"Taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and of all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered."

"Taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures."

3. Amazarak
"Taught all the sorcerers, and dividers of roots."

4. Armers, Armeros, Armaros
"Taught the solution of sorcery."
"Taught the resolving of enchantments."


5. Barkayal, Baraqijal, Baraqel
"Taught the observers of the stars."
"Taught astrology."


6. Kokabel, Kawkabel, Kakabel
"Taught the science of the constellations."

7. Ezeqeel, Ezekeel
"Taught the knowledge of the clouds."

8. Araqiel, Arakiel
"Taught the signs of the earth."

9. Shamsiel, Shamshiel
"Taught the signs of the sun."

10. Sariel,, Suriel, Zerachiel, Saraquel, Asardel
"Taught the motion of the moon."
"Taught the course of the moon."


11. Akibeel
"Taught signs."

12. Tamiel
"Taught astronomy."

13. Penemue
"Taught the bitter and the sweet, the use of ink and paper."

14. Kasdeja, Kisdeja
"Taught the children of men all the wicked smitings of spirits and demons, and the smitings of the embryo in the womb, that it may pass away."

15. Gadreel
"Introduced weapons of war."
 
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Demons possess free will, though they are influenced by a higher power the free will they have is what caused their fall from grace.
Angels have a job to serve God's will. when The higher archy decided to go against that it became free will, the lower ranks were influenced by either side. The one called Lucifer (believe it or not) has the same mindset we have. "I serve no one beneath me" God's will is for the Angels to serve humans, to the fallen it was a disgrace or an insult. if you read the story of the 200 watchers in the book of Enoch they were bound in chains waiting to be judged.

sorry if this statement seems to be arrogant it isn't meant to be this is only my opinion on what I have read and what I have read seems to explain a lot of questions I had about how we live and how the world as we know it evolved to what it is.

Here is a list of some of the Angels that will stand judgment for teaching Humanity forbidden knowledge.
1. Semyaza, Shemyaza, Semjaza, Semiaza, Samyaza, Shemhazai
"Taught enchantments and root-cuttings."

2. Azazel, Azazyel, Azaziel
"Taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and of all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered."

"Taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures."

3. Amazarak
"Taught all the sorcerers, and dividers of roots."

4. Armers, Armeros, Armaros
"Taught the solution of sorcery."
"Taught the resolving of enchantments."


5. Barkayal, Baraqijal, Baraqel
"Taught the observers of the stars."
"Taught astrology."


6. Kokabel, Kawkabel, Kakabel
"Taught the science of the constellations."

7. Ezeqeel, Ezekeel
"Taught the knowledge of the clouds."

8. Araqiel, Arakiel
"Taught the signs of the earth."

9. Shamsiel, Shamshiel
"Taught the signs of the sun."

10. Sariel,, Suriel, Zerachiel, Saraquel, Asardel
"Taught the motion of the moon."
"Taught the course of the moon."


11. Akibeel
"Taught signs."

12. Tamiel
"Taught astronomy."

13. Penemue
"Taught the bitter and the sweet, the use of ink and paper."

14. Kasdeja, Kisdeja
"Taught the children of men all the wicked smitings of spirits and demons, and the smitings of the embryo in the womb, that it may pass away."

15. Gadreel
"Introduced weapons of war."

Thanks for this explanation. Though I was also just describing the Islamic view on angels and demons, as my understanding in them is as per my faith. What you have described here, is this from Christianity? Or from a different source? According to Islamic scripture, angels have taught forbidden knowledge (particularly black magic) to humans but will not be tried because of it as it was their job and a trial for the humans who had the opportunity to learn such knowledge.

The forbidden knowledge you describe includes some general scientific things as well as day to day things. So particularly stuff like workings of the sun, moon, Earth, cloud, constellations and things like reading/writer (ink/paper) and metal working...why are these forbidden, if you happen to know?
 
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Thanks for this explanation. Though I was also just describing the Islamic view on angels and demons, as my understanding in them is as per my faith. What you have described here, is this from Christianity? Or from a different source? According to Islamic scripture, angels have taught forbidden knowledge (particularly black magic) to humans but will not be tried because of it as it was their job and a trial for the humans who had the opportunity to learn such knowledge.

The forbidden knowledge you describe includes some general scientific things as well as day to day things. So particularly stuff like workings of the sun, moon, Earth, cloud, constellations and things like reading/writer (ink/paper) and metal working...why are these forbidden, if you happen to know?
That’s from the book of Enoch. Many regard it as legitimate, but it’s only regarded as Canon in a handful of churches. Either way I’d say it’s a good read if you were ever curious.
 
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Thanks for this explanation. Though I was also just describing the Islamic view on angels and demons, as my understanding in them is as per my faith. What you have described here, is this from Christianity? Or from a different source? According to Islamic scripture, angels have taught forbidden knowledge (particularly black magic) to humans but will not be tried because of it as it was their job and a trial for the humans who had the opportunity to learn such knowledge.

The forbidden knowledge you describe includes some general scientific things as well as day to day things. So particularly stuff like workings of the sun, moon, Earth, cloud, constellations and things like reading/writer (ink/paper) and metal working...why are these forbidden, if you happen to know?
I heard this one myth that when God created Adam and Eve, he also made forge tongs, as apparently you can’t forge anything without forge tongs. I don’t know how legit that story was as I only heard of it once, but it could be the same principle with the forbidden knowledge. It was a primer so we have a starting point in the different arts and sciences. Can’t learn trigonometry if you don’t first learn basic math right?
 
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That’s from the book of Enoch. Many regard it as legitimate, but it’s only regarded as Canon in a handful of churches. Either way I’d say it’s a good read if you were ever curious.

Thanks for the clarification. It does make for an interesting read. Is there any clarification on why the different types of knowledge, particularly scientific are said to be forbidden?
 
Thanks for the clarification. It does make for an interesting read. Is there any clarification on why the different types of knowledge, particularly scientific are said to be forbidden?
Perhaps it wasn’t time for us to know yet. Also this knowledge came to us from the watchers as a result of human women sleeping with these angels. Maybe it was forbidden by virtue of how the knowledge was recieved. Like if You were to summon an evil spirit to learn or gain something. The knowledge itself isn’t evil but the means of receiving it is.
 
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I heard this one myth that when God created Adam and Eve, he also made forge tongs, as apparently you can’t forge anything without forge tongs. I don’t know how legit that story was as I only heard of it once, but it could be the same principle with the forbidden knowledge. It was a primer so we have a starting point in the different arts and sciences. Can’t learn trigonometry if you don’t first learn basic math right?

Sorry, looks like you posted this as I was writing up my last post, that sort of answers my question. So what exactly are forge tongs? Would it be something literal or figurative?
 
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