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Wow Ben! Sounds like your expierences could be associated with this. It sounds like your gut is telling you it was them too.

Not prying on your health issues but you’ve mentioned you have them, so do you think they can be linked to your expierences with the UFOS? If indeed it was them? Please don’t feel I’m asking the nature of your issues. It was just something to consider.
 
Wow Ben! Sounds like your expierences could be associated with this. It sounds like your gut is telling you it was them too.

Not prying on your health issues but you’ve mentioned you have them, so do you think they can be linked to your expierences with the UFOS? If indeed it was them? Please don’t feel I’m asking the nature of your issues. It was just something to consider.
Hey, I only don't drone on endlessly about my health issues out of consideration for others! I have no shame and could have you clawing at the walls with all the tedious details and misery! However I was in really good health until late 2011 or early 2012, so it's unlikely to be directly connected. Good thinking though.
 
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Ben, this kind of fits in to the everything paranormal is connected theory in it's own way. Are you thinking in that vein?
Yes. Maybe. Mostly. I've been watching Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency recently. It's a loose sequel to two novels by Douglas Adams and the basis of each story is the fundamental interconnectedness of all things. So a story may begin with a UFO, a ghost, a robot and a murder and then Dirk just randomly investigates things that aren't really connected to anything but end up tying it all together. The fact that I found all of this while searching for info about something else entirely reminded me of it and then the sheer barrage of seemingly unconnected bizarre things all in a short time in the same place (I had 'fairies' and then an 'abduction' by different beings/people one after another) and then you bring it up! I am wondering.

I've thought about connections between paranormal things a lot. Skinwalker Ranch springs to mind as a case with about a dozen paranormal types involved but where the investigation is privately owned and the results secret. :mad: (We could do with a sternly angry and disapproving emoji here!)

This 1997 oddness happened from mid September to November which puts it around Samhain, the point when worlds were supposed to meet at points. If the park that year was one such place and time then as well as folks from the other here being visible then it could perhaps attract attention from others. All speculation though. I really need to research and think more. It might be helpful to talk to David Baker (if his email is still correct). He seemed mostly on the military aircraft theory so he might not want to hear about fairies and I'm not sure I want 'fairy guy' as a local nickname!

There are some really intriguing things in this though. Westwood is not out in the sticks! It's a suburb ten minutes walk from the city centre and a big weird aircraft hovering right over the rooftops with bright lights at 7 o'clock should have had a lot of witnesses, but this is the first I've heard of it and I live virtually down the road! I'd class it as a non physical thing but then the same thing was seen by a whole group the following month!

I don't know if everything paranormal is connected. I have an idea that there is something in the world which changes it's appearance based on the witnesses. I think there are huge unknown creatures in large bodies of water but there are good reports of people encountering vast creatures in places where that's impossible (Loch Ness for example). I think there are real sasquatch but many of the reports are not actually sasquatch but something else borrowing the form. I think there are physical secret black triangle aircraft... and some of the reports are imposters and so on. It muddies the waters and confuses investigation but it's the best I have to explain the bigfoot flying saucer or bigfoot in England reports or the two good Loch Ness reports or a host of other things. I think whatever it is probably just pretends to be people a lot of the time and doesn't quite get it right.

I do think there were at least two different things going on in Peterborough that Autumn though and maybe even three groups. I think the little people lived in the park but in a different set of dimensions, then there was the triangle and the saucers. I'd put my conspiritors with one or both of the aircraft but not the little people. Possibly at least one faction was looking for another or investigating whatever allowed the little people to be seen.

I don't know though.
 
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Yes. Maybe. Mostly. I've been watching Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency recently. It's a loose sequel to two novels by Douglas Adams and the basis of each story is the fundamental interconnectedness of all things. So a story may begin with a UFO, a ghost, a robot and a murder and then Dirk just randomly investigates things that aren't really connected to anything but end up tying it all together. The fact that I found all of this while searching for info about something else entirely reminded me of it and then the sheer barrage of seemingly unconnected bizarre things all in a short time in the same place (I had 'fairies' and then an 'abduction' by different beings/people one after another) and then you bring it up! I am wondering.

I've thought about connections between paranormal things a lot. Skinwalker Ranch springs to mind as a case with about a dozen paranormal types involved but where the investigation is privately owned and the results secret. :mad: (We could do with a sternly angry and disapproving emoji here!)

This 1997 oddness happened from mid September to November which puts it around Samhain, the point when worlds were supposed to meet at points. If the park that year was one such place and time then as well as folks from the other here being visible then it could perhaps attract attention from others. All speculation though. I really need to research and think more. It might be helpful to talk to David Baker (if his email is still correct). He seemed mostly on the military aircraft theory so he might not want to hear about fairies and I'm not sure I want 'fairy guy' as a local nickname!

There are some really intriguing things in this though. Westwood is not out in the sticks! It's a suburb ten minutes walk from the city centre and a big weird aircraft hovering right over the rooftops with bright lights at 7 o'clock should have had a lot of witnesses, but this is the first I've heard of it and I live virtually down the road! I'd class it as a non physical thing but then the same thing was seen by a whole group the following month!

I don't know if everything paranormal is connected. I have an idea that there is something in the world which changes it's appearance based on the witnesses. I think there are huge unknown creatures in large bodies of water but there are good reports of people encountering vast creatures in places where that's impossible (Loch Ness for example). I think there are real sasquatch but many of the reports are not actually sasquatch but something else borrowing the form. I think there are physical secret black triangle aircraft... and some of the reports are imposters and so on. It muddies the waters and confuses investigation but it's the best I have to explain the bigfoot flying saucer or bigfoot in England reports or the two good Loch Ness reports or a host of other things. I think whatever it is probably just pretends to be people a lot of the time and doesn't quite get it right.

I do think there were at least two different things going on in Peterborough that Autumn though and maybe even three groups. I think the little people lived in the park but in a different set of dimensions, then there was the triangle and the saucers. I'd put my conspiritors with one or both of the aircraft but not the little people. Possibly at least one faction was looking for another or investigating whatever allowed the little people to be seen.

I don't know though.
Good job expressing this. You are right I think that there are real creatures and events and then imposters. There seems to be entities that can either change shape or influence how we see them. Weather they’re aliens, Djinn or Demons. Perhaps they are the same but called diff names. It really confuses the situations people expierence. If we add in the dark government involvement in experimentation and tech development things get even muddier. Makes a person want to throw up their hands and go drink.
 
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Hey, I only don't drone on endlessly about my health issues out of consideration for others! I have no shame and could have you clawing at the walls with all the tedious details and misery! However I was in really good health until late 2011 or early 2012, so it's unlikely to be directly connected. Good thinking though.
We are all here for ya. Feel feee to use the instant message if you ever need to groan to someone. I promise you an ear.
 
Oh... I don't think writing the next bit all in one go is going to be a good idea. I'm just going to write when I can.

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It had to be about 1am. Time to go home. Feeling really good I got up and headed for the nearest gate. I went out and turned right towards home and took a step.

It's not like a sudden cut. There's a blur like being asleep and then

I'm terrified! That was everything. I wrote about unnatural fear in the other occurrences, but this was far beyond even that. The fear was so overwhelming that I had no idea who I was and not just where I was but the idea of being anything or anywhere. It was just fear and that was the world. Coming to my senses probably seemed to take longer than it did in that state flooded with adrenaline. I realised that I was somebody and that I was somewhere and that I had to keep running as fast as I could and not stop no matter what and not look back. Because they were behind me and couldn't catch me! That was not an option. I remembered who I was and everything I've related so far. I saw that it was night and that I was running through a suburban area on pavements past two storey houses. I didn't recognise anything. I realised that I was running across roads without looking but being hit by a car was nothing! I had to keep going! All of this was at a deep level, not conscious thought. I mentioned that I was a decent sprinter. I was sprinting at 100m dash speed but for far longer. I wouldn't have thought it possible and even taking into account the way that time seems stretched in stressful situations I must have covered a ridiculous distance! I'd made them angry! I had a stitch. Several! My legs were on fire and my heart was bursting. I was breathing in deep measured gulps, my lungs burning. I still can't believe how far I ran at that speed. It felt like I was tearing my body apart, but I knew that I'd made them angry and nothing was worth the slightest drop in pace.

Eventually I realised that nothing bad was happening to me and chanced a look back. Nothing. I kept running, but I came back to myself and realised that I was talking. I was reciting a long passage over and over like a mantra. I kept running but began to listen to myself. Please bear with me here, because this is where things get really strange.

It was a message. From me to me. I'd known I was going to lose all memory of what had happened so I'd begun to recite a list of facts and messages over and over so that it would be reflex and not require conscious thought. I listened to me.

I'm sorry but that's where I'm leaving it for today. The next part really is a monster of a post in content at least and is what I've desperately wanted to talk about. And besides who could resist a good cliffhanger like that? I felt I needed to tell the whole story first and have gotten more out of the discussion here than I'd hoped for. I never intended to ever tell anybody about this and at the time decided to abandon all enquiry into UFOs, close encounters and related subjects. I didn't write anything down (hence not having a date for this). My message also omitted things I thought I would be better off not knowing, but there's enough.

After nearly twenty years I've changed my mind though. So take this delay as a small one in the grand scheme of things.As for why I changed my mind? At the time the internet really wasn't a big thing. I found out about something that upset me, but which I could do nothing about, so forgetting it was the sane thing to do. Since then the internet has taken off and... I've watched in growing dismay as it's been overrun with the extraterrestrial hypothesis, ancient aliens, (US) government conspiracies and culminating in the disclosure movement, in which thousands believe without question in a story for which they have no proof, stop asking questions and place all hope in waiting for the government they accuse of being liars to validate them rather than asking questions!

I know as well as I can know anything that things thousands (millions?) of people think about UFOs and abductions and other subjects are just plain wrong and though I don't remember the important bits I know that some things are wrong and other people may be in a position to do something. I don't think that this forum is a place where anything I say will change the world but it is somewhere where I feel comfortable coming out about this and where I know I'll get some thoughtful feedback. I don't have any answers, but I do know that some things are just flat out wrong and that is helpful. And I think it's wrong to stay quiet about anything to do with this with the massive derailment of enquiry on the paranormal that has happened.

I hope that won't be taken as being pompous or self important. It's just something that bothers me and I don't delude myself into thinking that I know everything and don't want to give the impression that I am grimly typing away at The Truth. That attitude is a killer.

So I'll finish by saying happy birthday Jadamz!



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Ben, I feel realy lucky l found you and your unbelievable story. I don't have any similar personal experience, but since I saw a real GNOME video, l began believing must be something more behind it. I start believing it has to be some sort of interference bitween ours and other world that only given people are able to see.
 
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