What are the aliens?

WHAT ARE THEY?


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By that I mean, maybe time machines don’t physically move through time but instead those machines might induce psychic time travel and outsiders in our point on the timeline can reasonably perceive those machines’ physical structures. Maybe those machines - rooms, structures, etc. - don’t even fly in their point on the timeline but when arriving/projecting into our own point on the timeline they aren’t limited by our physics so they can fly or land.
I like this idea, WandS.
 
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I like this idea, WandS.

One more related and fun musing on that idea 7.

Maybe the source of these time trips is a merger of Disney, Princess Cruise Line, NASA, and CERN. They send off a "mothership" (psychical or material) across time and then when they arrive at the appropriate destination they release little Disney-like "People Movers" that go exploring across the global. Kind of like the "Time Machine meets Jurassic World". :p
 
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Wonderful WandS. Great MRI story. When I was in head shrink school, a fellow student was a 'futurist.' He was seeing 100 years in the future about many subjects. Not psychic, but a student of how technology evolves. He thinks that heavy powered magnets will profoundly change psychiatry by working on the brain's electrical activity. Years later I did a job for an Indian - India shrink who was working on the same thing. Sorry for my usual tangant.
 
Wonderful WandS. Great MRI story. When I was in head shrink school, a fellow student was a 'futurist.' He was seeing 100 years in the future about many subjects. Not psychic, but a student of how technology evolves. He thinks that heavy powered magnets will profoundly change psychiatry by working on the brain's electrical activity. Years later I did a job for an Indian - India shrink who was working on the same thing. Sorry for my usual tangant.

No reason to apologize Paint. Your sharing was not only NOT a tangent it was wholly on topic and educational.

Just promise me plz your not going to go putting strong magnets against your head just so that you can post more relevant news here!
 
I voted extraterrestrial.....mainly because of the craft....perhaps they have found a way to use wormholes as a way of jumping the space time continuum or have some type of "star gates" in place..... I don't believe its a military/government project or experiment,(conspiracy)...( I do think that some military projects, craft, weapons, etc....may be mistaken for u.f.o's but there's not a connection with "real" aliens, if they exist),...there are very few actual military encounters I believe are authentic, the air base in Europe and the foo fighter stories are a couple examples I think were maybe real. but 99% of most stories I hear involving the military I seriously question...(actually heard an account of bigfoot and the military last summer, something about a downed chopper which led to a bigfoot attack...I don't believe it at all, i think that using the military is suppose to make ppl believe it without questioning.)
as far as demons, nephilim or inter-dimensional, why the craft, why the experiments,...too many why's that don't add up. the pattern thus far has been that of observation and study,...more of a scientific purpose than a spiritual one.
Have you read any of the declassified files from the US military branches, FBI and CIA and the UK Ministry of Defence? At a time when I'd given up on the idea that UFOs existed as any kind of physical form those reports in books by Timothy Good and Nick Pope blew me away by showing that there were a lot of radar/ visual encounters, sometimes with independent witnesses which defied any explanation along with behind the scenes info on the investigation of UFOs by government agencies. There's a lot online including websites for those agencies with scans of reports available to view. Or do you distrust those?
 
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So here’s an idea about UFOs and Aliens that I could certainly get behind based upon my significant psychical experiences. I have seen future events - either clearly or slightly skewed at times - literally hundreds of times; so I have 100% personal confidence that seeing events at alternate points on what we perceive as a timeline is possible. I don’t know how my psi function works, I only know that it does. So I can make a leap to accept that “controlled” time travel is also possible.

With that said, maybe our perception of a flying saucer could be sightings of active human time traveling “machines”. I could even accept that people might not be seeing an actual physical device but instead psychically perceiving same instead. By that I mean, maybe time machines don’t physically move through time but instead those machines might induce psychic time travel for those inside and then outsiders in our point on the timeline can reasonably perceive those machines’ physical structures. Maybe those machines - rooms, structures, etc. - don’t even fly in their point on the timeline but when arriving/projecting into our own point on the timeline they aren’t limited by our physics so they can fly or land. (This last musing won’t fit easily with the instances where UFOs are seen sitting on the ground on landing struts that seem to leave physical depressions on the ground nor evidence of engine blasts. What it does fit into though is the often reports that the “object moved silently”. It might also support so many claims of the aliens communicating with outside observers psychically. [Edited to add in that this musing might also explain why/how the reported UFOs often make wild turns and move at incredible speeds even accelerating from a dead stop.])
Great post! I think that most people who have considered the time travel theory did so from the point of view of a physical vehicle which people moved physically in, like a disc, cigar or triangle shaped Delorian that jumps when it hits Mach 8.8 or something then crashes into some farmers field. (Actually does that work? Could Back to the Future explain everything?) But you see things from the future as do other people and I have at least once, so I accept that as something that can happen somehow and the idea that people are projecting part of themselves through time is worth considering.

Also worth thinking is the idea that if you can astraly project across time then what of space? It stands to reason that that should also happen and there are cases of people doing just that. The Catholic church has a few including a nun who was simultaniously in her nunnery and over the Atlantic in the Americas hanging around with the locals. In another case... well (I should look these things up again, but I lost all my notes and bookmarks when my old PC died and am having to go on memory!) somebody else was in two places at once at various times. I think that this may be a part of the doppelganger phenomenon. There are nearly identical physical doubles of people and I have one who I met once, but what if other cases are not that but the person unconsciously projecting part of their consciousness to another place where it's seen and interacted with by people? Despite my double I wonder some of the times people have sworn that they met me in places that I wasn't. I was, according to one friend at a festival they went to and another friend freaked out at me because I'd been at a swimming pool with her that morning we hadn't spoken for long but she was convinced it was me... only I hadn't and she couldn't understand why I would play such a childish and lame joke as pretending not to have been. She got pretty upset and it took another friend to explain about my near double to convince me that I was serious. But she still didn't believe it was somebody else. And she did know me!

Sorry to hijack this into more anecdotes! But it seems likely to me that many people (mostly unreported or not understood) are jumping around across time and space in an uncontrolled way. Your idea bout using a machine makes sense as a means of focusing and controlling that rather than it happening randomly. And maybe they focus only travel across distance and not time?

Other thoughts.

I wonder if many of the landing reports are staged and unconnected? At one famous case recently had evidence show up suggesting that it may have been a collage student prank. A really epic prank, but if students could do it why not others. There's evidence of the USAF intelligence staging them too. I don't know if all can be explained away but it's worth thinking about that landings could be a different thing to flights. Encounters with beings and no craft could be either or neither.

Precognition seems to far outweigh... postcognition? People seem to see the future more than the past. Does time not allow going back? And if so are the hypothetical time travelers really from the future, or the past?

Reports of UFOs matching the modern conception are truly sketchy and possibly non-existent before the 1940s. Weird things happened and weird beings were here but not flying around in futuristic looking aircraft faster than sound and doing U-turns, or at least not often or conclusively. If time travel can go back then nobody should have been surprised by Foo Fighters or Kenneth Arnold's sighting in the '40s since they would have been seen forever! I can't believe no time traveler would want to look at the first world war or the events leading to the second.

Why aren't UFOs at every major event in history? Either there is a Sam Becket limitation or it's not possible to travel backwards. Equipment to focus ESP doesn't necessarily need future technology. What if somebody found out how to do it in, say the 1920s or 1930s and started scouting ahead?

Did a German group manage to fuse science and magic in the 1930s when that was the rage and then make sure to flee before the war went tits up?

Did America send spies into its own future to rip off its own future technology? And if so to either these or other possible travelers then how many times has future knowledge been used and did it change things? How often?

In my own experience with 'aliens' I lost my memories of most of what happened but I do remember that I was shocked by what they really were, appalled at what they were doing and that I broke something vital to them which caused them to go beserk. Finding out that they were human beings from the past stealing information from the future who may have created and were threatening to erase the world I live in would certainly fit!

Thanks Wands for provoking this train of thought.
 
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Great post! I think that most people who have considered the time travel theory did so from the point of view of a physical vehicle which people moved physically in, like a disc, cigar or triangle shaped Delorian that jumps when it hits Mach 8.8 or something then crashes into some farmers field. (Actually does that work? Could Back to the Future explain everything?) But you see things from the future as do other people and I have at least once, so I accept that as something that can happen somehow and the idea that people are projecting part of themselves through time is worth considering.

Also worth thinking is the idea that if you can astraly project across time then what of space? It stands to reason that that should also happen and there are cases of people doing just that. The Catholic church has a few including a nun who was simultaniously in her nunnery and over the Atlantic in the Americas hanging around with the locals. In another case... well (I should look these things up again, but I lost all my notes and bookmarks when my old PC died and am having to go on memory!) somebody else was in two places at once at various times. I think that this may be a part of the doppelganger phenomenon. There are nearly identical physical doubles of people and I have one who I met once, but what if other cases are not that but the person unconsciously projecting part of their consciousness to another place where it's seen and interacted with by people? Despite my double I wonder some of the times people have sworn that they met me in places that I wasn't. I was, according to one friend at a festival they went to and another friend freaked out at me because I'd been at a swimming pool with her that morning we hadn't spoken for long but she was convinced it was me... only I hadn't and she couldn't understand why I would play such a childish and lame joke as pretending not to have been. She got pretty upset and it took another friend to explain about my near double to convince me that I was serious. But she still didn't believe it was somebody else. And she did know me!

Sorry to hijack this into more anecdotes! But it seems likely to me that many people (mostly unreported or not understood) are jumping around across time and space in an uncontrolled way. Your idea bout using a machine makes sense as a means of focusing and controlling that rather than it happening randomly. And maybe they focus only travel across distance and not time?

Other thoughts.

I wonder if many of the landing reports are staged and unconnected? At one famous case recently had evidence show up suggesting that it may have been a collage student prank. A really epic prank, but if students could do it why not others. There's evidence of the USAF intelligence staging them too. I don't know if all can be explained away but it's worth thinking about that landings could be a different thing to flights. Encounters with beings and no craft could be either or neither.

Precognition seems to far outweigh... postcognition? People seem to see the future more than the past. Does time not allow going back? And if so are the hypothetical time travelers really from the future, or the past?

Reports of UFOs matching the modern conception are truly sketchy and possibly non-existent before the 1940s. Weird things happened and weird beings were here but not flying around in futuristic looking aircraft faster than sound and doing U-turns, or at least not often or conclusively. If time travel can go back then nobody should have been surprised by Foo Fighters or Kenneth Arnold's sighting in the '40s since they would have been seen forever! I can't believe no time traveler would want to look at the first world war or the events leading to the second.

Why aren't UFOs at every major event in history? Either there is a Sam Becket limitation or it's not possible to travel backwards. Equipment to focus ESP doesn't necessarily need future technology. What if somebody found out how to do it in, say the 1920s or 1930s and started scouting ahead?

Did a German group manage to fuse science and magic in the 1930s when that was the rage and then make sure to flee before the war went tits up?

Did America send spies into its own future to rip off its own future technology? And if so to either these or other possible travelers then how many times has future knowledge been used and did it change things? How often?

In my own experience with 'aliens' I lost my memories of most of what happened but I do remember that I was shocked by what they really were, appalled at what they were doing and that I broke something vital to them which caused them to go beserk. Finding out that they were human beings from the past stealing information from the future who may have created and were threatening to erase the world I live in would certainly fit!

Thanks Wands for provoking this train of thought.

Hey Benway you have, through this post, given me quite literally years worth of ideas to muse about. I think I could probably post enough content here to fill this forum’s storage such that the server would seize up, chirp, whirl, stand up straight, and fall over on its side (just stealing a little R2 visual from classic Star Wars there).

Thank you Benway for the sharing.

Ultimately, I might elect to spin off separate threads to deep dive into separate thoughts. Shout out to anyone better skilled at forum navigation than me...can anyone tell me if there is a way to flag a specific thread (this one obviously) so that I can always quickly and easily find it again???

Okay, let me respond with at least two points though I want to do oh so much more.

First and most important - must give credit. This idea I offered of some UFOs being non-material projections/travels from another time is not mine alone. Actually Lynne planted the kernel of the idea in a response to me in another thread. It was probably the first time I admitted on this forum that I don’t know the “how” behind my psychic sight of future events. Lynne responded with the idea that it might be my spiritual self that is able to access the future. Boom to my limited thinking. So extrapolating from there, I created the idea that maybe humans can find a material (aka, mechanical) way to trigger that spirit ability hence they use it to travel through time and then that spirit projection becomes visible to some people in that target destination timeline as “UFO”.

Second, your point about the 1930s and 1940s time references. There is the idea floating about probably both in fiction and academics that if a mechanism for time travel was ever “discovered”, that that moment might become the earliest point in our timeline that anyone could ever travel back to. I guess the idea is that if there was no way to time travel until then there would be no mechanism to support or allow getting to an earlier point because the concept of time travel didn’t factually exist before that. So your post about the 30s and 40s might be supportive of that idea. Maybe time travel was discovered or even invented in a mundane way back around that time. Putting two and two together means, we’re all limited to visiting the first half of the 20th century but no earlier history. Okay, so how personally saddening would that be. :(. Selfish me wanna see it all.